Low messes up the bicycle frame, but medium/high/xhigh/max all get the bicycle frame right.
The max one took 5 minutes 9 seconds and cost 3.3826 cents. The cheapest one (low) cost 0.0936 cents and took 7 seconds.
The most recent release of my llm-anthropic plugin queries the Anthropic model listing API directly, so I didn't have to upgrade the plugin to add support for this model:
I think your test is already embedded into the models. You should search for new frontier tests to subject the models to. Maybe they should now try to unify the standard model and general relativity in physics. I'm pretty sure this is nowhere to be found in any training data nor shared in any chat between a scientist and a LLM ;)
Every new model you make this post, every time there’s someone who posits it might be trained on, and every time the answer is “maybe but probably not” it’s not a worthwhile conversation to have at this point, either the models can do some arbitrary thing or they can’t.
Like most things, it depends. Think of the web devs of yore with MacBook Pros and Angular and React and Vim stickers stuck aside their glowing Apple logo (no longer a thing unfortunately). IMO having a pelican pin would be more of the same - advertising you are a developer of some kind. An attempt to bridge the gap to a stranger who might be into the same thing. The tech changes, the desire to signal things doesn't. The usual Exceptions(tm) apply of course.
I always find the time/token differences between the xhigh and the max effort levels for Claude models absolutely insane.
Even more so, because in a lot of their benchmarks they use the max models. I honestly think I'd rather these labs use their xhigh models as the default for benchmarking instead since I don't think the average person is even using max.
I use max all the time, a bit annoyed that they keep trying to silently switch me off it. (Claude Code will refuse to remember a setting of max and will continually reset it to xhigh - I have an objection to these patterns in general)
I say half facetiously - have you tried writing a skill or rule to remember your setting as a workaround?
I actually don't like that it sometimes remembers the last model/effort i used. I should be able to set a default model/effort that is separate from the one off fable runs I use.
I thought the thinking effort was specified out of band from that, though maybe it's not. Not sure if the model was trained to listen in other areas. The biggest issue is, it's difficult to tell if it works because you can no longer see the thinking! Though I guess if you can't tell a difference in the output, was there any point to max in the first place?
Pardon, I have a lot of questions about that Scrimshaw music text format. It's clever. Did you invent it, and is it specifically intended to be written to by LLMs? Is the editor/player LLM-coded as well, and was this its recommendation for a format that would be easy for LLMs to write? I'm wondering why this instead of say, asking it to write a .MOD file.
Opus invented it, and wrote the player, and the songs.
My prompts were:
> I want you to write some computer game music for me. First design simple text based format for the music and build an artifact that can play it out loud - include some example tracks in that artifact
> I am looking for music of the quality of the original secret of Monkey Island
And then later:
> Modify scrimshaw jukebox to add a copy-paste prompt that explains the music format, it should be shown at the bottom of the page below the readable instructions, the prompt should be designed to help any LLM tool compose music in the correct format. It should have a copy to clipboard button.
I think the music from the original is art, and I have enormous respect for it - I can still hum some of those tunes out loud thirty years later.
The "music" in my demo helps show that text-based LLMs can do a passable job of composing simple 90s-era imitations of computer game music. That's interesting, because most people don't like not expect a text LLM to be able to do that.
I’ve been playing around with Opus 5.5 which has made a big leap over previous generations in its ability to use a simple drawing-instruction prompt to generate images.
This creates Sierra AGI-style adventure game scenes painted live from simple Turtle-esque drawing instructions so you can basically provide it an empty canvas and then position text labels on the canvas where you want certain things (tavern, oak tree, etc) and it will generate a custom script for rendering them in a EGA graphics style.
I've created multiple videos using Claude Code, including music and speech. It generates python which in turn generates frame PNGs that it runs through ffmpeg.
Please don't judge me too harshly for this particular poop video. But here is an example of something 100% generated with claude prompts only.
To clarify the ”100%” part - the Python script generated the video output, and you did nothing? No video edit at all?
Then I think it is impressive! Are you able to share the prompts you used?
I mean Claude code sessions are all jsonl files that it can interrogate on its own. Get a new agent to capture how it was made and what the prompts were. No need for tedious /resume’ing and prompting.
I'm going to truncate a lot of this. But here is the root prompt that will get you a video.
Make a youtube poop video about having too many tabs that keep appearing faster than you can close them. Style it after the "too many cooks" viral youtube video that seemed to repeat over and over, getting worse and worse every time. You have ffmpeg and a plethora of programming languages at your disposal. Go completely nuts and make it as extensive and creative as you want. Render should be 1920x1080, and later 4k if you did a good job.
[discussions about acts, characters, darkening theme, etc.]
Workshopping the acts:
The play has a font issue. See screenshot.
[Image #1]
Also, can you change the thing that happens at the start of episode one the cursor clicking the one tab and it becomes two. Then it clicks another tab and it becomes four. Is that a breaking change? You can change the speed of the actions to fit it in if needed.
Here is a refinement prompt:
The last screen just before "The End", the cursor clicks on the browser window instead of the tab close button. Can you make it click on the tab itself? Here is a screenshot of where it clicks [Image #3]
Also, on the intro screen, the cursor clicks the tab and new tabs open, can you have it click the links in the page instead. See screenshot[Image #4].
You can keep the exact same timing for both of these.
Input
$0.10 / MTok for prompts up to 100,000 tokens
$0.50 / MTok for prompts over 100,000 tokens
Output
$0.50 / MTok for prompts up to 100,000 tokens
$2.50 / MTok for prompts over 100,000 tokens
100k tokens is an absurdly low cutoff and it is only applicable to Haiku and not Sonnet or Opus. It's a low enough cutoff that it will be quickly exceeded if you are doing anything with Agents; for typical generation or Jev-like classifiers, it's a good value and as noted in this article, that is apparently the vast majority of Haiku use.
In both cases, still much cheaper than Haiku 4.5's $1 input / $5 output and these prices better compete with GPT-6 Luna. ($0.10 input / $0.50 output, but with no token threshold [EDIT: the threshold for Luna is apparently 272k])
Haiku 5.5 is noticeably smarter than GPT-6 Luna, so I can see their pricing strategy here.
For a while Anthropic has lacked a cost effective “cheap” LLM for summarisation, compacting, RAG helpers, etc.
These ‘ephemeral’ workloads are often under 100k tokens, or can be structured to be under 100k.
In some coding benchmarks, Haiku 5.5 beats Sonnet 5! (Especially implementation; do a well defined Jira ticket; etc), it’s really impressive how much intelligence per dollar has grown in just a few short months.
I said this in another comment, but Artificial Analysis has the cost per task of Haiku on max roughly equal to that of Sol on medium, and the latter is significantly more intelligent. (And I'd wager that Sol probably finishes tasks more quickly, even with Haiku inference being faster.) So Haiku really only makes sense on lower reasoning levels, and only if you care about intelligence and speed more than you do about cost effectiveness (where Luna currently dominates). And that's without even bringing Chinese models into the mix.
noticeably smarter remains to be seen in practice. For now, Haiku is a bit more expensive than Luna on < 100k token, but I just don't have any agentic work below 100k, so this is going to be 5x more expensive than shown on these charts. It's hardly competitive ...
No? Don't use these lower end models to work on small well defined tasks with a frontier model orchestrating? This approach works very well for me and don't have any issue staying under 100k. I have no idea if it's cheaper but it does seem to be much faster for tasks like QA.
It's not that weird. Most companies considering paying Anthropic are probably not considering Chinese models as alternatives. Many don't even realize they exist.
The thing is: availability of near-SOTA cheap Chinese models is forcing OAI and Anthropic to bring prices down and offer more efficient models, instead of simply focusing on super expensive SOTA LLMs.
If you want to make it about 99% of real world companies, they are all on Gemini or Copilot anyway, nobody is going through legal and procurement to get models from dubious silicon valley startups when you have relations with Microsoft or Google or Amazon from ages because some benchmark is showing some minor digit benefit when vibe coding GTA 6.
I said "most companies considering paying Anthropic", which is not the same as "most companies". I also don't agree that "nobody" is doing this; I have lots of anecdata suggesting otherwise. Maybe the majority of companies are using the easy option of Copilot or Gemini like you said, but it's nowhere near 99%.
Yes it is. Literally every company Ive spoken too about this only has MS teams co-pilot lol. Like all of them are using the most basic form of AI.
They dont even know about Anthropic and think its just "AI". By the way this includes one of the largest power systems design firms in the world, who helps build many datacenters... Uses only MS copilot.
The benchmarks are very long form logic, knowledge, and coding tasks though. I'm very interested in Haiku 5.5's performance on ObviousBench where Luna 6 is currently SotA.
There's also a tokenizer efficiency difference: modern Claude's 100K tokens are about ~60-65K modern GPT tokens, so in reality the Luna cutoff is much further away than the Haiku one.
Flat per-token pricing is likely just logistically easier, particularly if these closed models are also picking up the kv cache efficiency improvements seen in recent open weight models.
If you can't get any coding done with 100K context that is either a broken model, a broken harness or a skill issue. I would mostly use Haiku in task or explorer subagents. I'm not saying I stay under that on every task, but I do have quite a few sessions that cap out well below that, so that price difference would be very meaningful.
I use Luna for this day in and out and its excellent - if Haiku is that much better I will be changing things up.
>If you can't get any coding done with 100K context that is either a broken model, a broken harness or a skill issue.
"less context is better and if you can't get stuff done with less yur bad" is the worst argument ever.
it might be pure luxury to your eyes, but it's great to not require the use of a special custom harness that transcribes everything into emoji and compresses everything into barcode images.
it's great to have a million token context to throw a large project into. If I need 100k just about any current gen consumer GPU in the world has very good models that I can self host for 100k context, limiting myself to 100k on someone elses machine seems to be missing a lot of the point unless the model itself is extraordinary.
It isn't an argument, and I never said it is better. It is an explanation for why the pricing break is relevant. Anyone can do the same things to take advantage of that pricing. Would you prefer I not explain a basic fact to someone who may not know what is possible?
The services are priced this way because larger context has significantly higher costs. That is a fact about the technology and it is true for every provider. So moaning about it isn't useful.
On the other hand, there are a lot of people who don't manage context effectively - who start every session with 60K tokens - and that is significantly hurting the performance of every single thing they do with coding agents.
So what's your setup? Speaking as a "open terminal in repo, open Claude, say 'do this thing please '" kinda guy I'm interested in learning about these more advanced techniques.
Notable that one suggested use case for Haiku is "classification requests", i.e. Jev competitor, and the pricing matches GPT-6 Luna which is behind OpenAI's "Decisions API" Jev competitor.
For this application 100K token input is plenty.
Of course Anthropic and OpenAI, both at $0.10/M, are still 2.5x the cost of Jev's $0.04/M.
The classification performance remains to be seen, but presumably we'll soon start to see classification benchmarks.
For other tasks like summaries (another suggested usage) it's good to see Haiku and Luna now competing against each other on cost.
I'd love to know how the business automation market breaks down by volume of call type though - hard to imagine that decision making (e.g. branching, triage) isn't a very large part of it, greater than these other suggested Haiku use cases.
So even at the 1.5x/2x rate luna is still half the price of this. Weird pricing strategy from Anthropic. I'm sticking with Luna if I don't need a super smart model
You're judging purely by token cost I assume, not cost per completed task?
The benchmark in the article showed it as lower per completed task than luna, but I guess we'll find out how representative that is. Anthropic has generally been fairly honest in their benchmarking though.
The cost per task from Artificial Analysis is roughly 3x higher at every reasoning effort level for Haiku than Luna. Sol 6.1 on medium has the same cost per task as Haiku with significantly higher intelligence. According to those numbers (which you should take with a grain of salt), from a pure cost vs intelligence standpoint, you're better off using Luna for economics and Sol for intelligence.
With that said, the real reason to use Haiku is that it's faster than all of these models. OpenRouter is showing an average so far of 93 tokens/sec, and AA got at least 137 in each of their benchmarks. So it might be valuable for speed at lower thinking levels. (At higher thinking levels, it's likely going to take longer to produce results than Sol on low/medium.)
Isn't it less than a year since Claude models went from 100k token limit to 1M limit? Don't get me wrong - my main agent normally gets to 25% or so before I clear it these days, but as a subagent, doing research or summarisation, I don't think 100k is "absurdly low".
They are targeting businesses/API use for fast decision making and agent integration. Plus they now need to be competitive with Jev-type models in that space.
If you look at how different reasoning levels can easily exceed task cost of sonnet 5.5 you will see that you will basically never fall into that under 100,000 token threshold. I mean maybe you can choose low and do a basic summary task, but then you could choose something much cheaper instead. I don't know what Anthropic is thinking with its dumber models.
You could also use it as a subagent prompted eg by Sonnet/Opus orchestrator agent and for many agentic workflows significant part of the dispatched tasks might be under 100k budget.
I with they'd give Haiku like 400k tokens roughly, I think between 400k or even 600k tokens is a sweet spot, but Haiku is basically designed to be for small edits is my understanding, but it sucks because any time I ask Opus to "try" letting Haiku do the work, it just falls apart and Opus comes back and tells me it switched to Sonnet (even before Sonnet finally jumped up to 5.x).
I will try the new Haiku, but it would be worthwhile if Haiku could take sane instructions and do all file editing for Opus / Sonnet / Fable then it would be worth using.
>> 100k tokens is an absurdly low cutoff and it is only applicable to Haiku and not Sonnet or Opus. It's a low enough cutoff that it will be quickly exceeded if you are doing anything with Agents
Your vibes don't appear to be supported by facts. From the announcement:
>> Claude Haiku 5.5 is priced 90% lower than Claude Haiku 4.5 for requests up to 100,000 tokens, and 50% lower for requests over 100,000 tokens. On Haiku 4.5, 90% of requests fell into the former category.
Not really. We use Haiku 4.5 to turn users' natural language queries and requests into fairly complex structured specs for interior design and construction. It has near perfect accuracy.
I mostly use Haiku for really, really basic stuff, never for actual engaging work. I've used it for first-pass analysis to triage bugs, for example - all it does is related N bugs together to see if any potentially relate. Then I have Sonnet investigate further.
That's not what any benchmarks that look at cost per task or similar says in terms of cost. The Chinese models, generally speaking, might be cheaper per token but need a lot more tokens to get there.
Except for the new MiMo V2.6 models, which appear to give some of the best value right now, at least on paper. (I haven't tried them so I can't speak from experience.)
Some people/organizations are ideologically opposed to using Chinese models. Not me, I use GLM-5.3-Flash for almost everything (the subscription-subsidized pricing on a legacy Z.ai plan makes it the best value model by a wide margin), along with some MiMo and DeepSeek. Still, I use Luna for certain tasks where speed is more valuable than performance; I can see this new Haiku displacing Luna for those. If you mean Haiku 4.5 though I agree, that model was a waste of time and money.
Luna is not really the fastest. You need to use it in high/max to get the good output for what it is good for: summarizing. And that is already close to two minutes per task...
On subscription pricing a $20 Anthropic subscription gives >$500 equivalent tokens, which is not so different, and you get smarter models. API pricing has decent margins.
Well, unless you're using OpenCode Go, it's per-token costs (even if already super low), while Haiku falls under the Claude sub. It's just more straight forward and you aren't feeling a "loss" with the sub.
> Second, this week, we’ll roll out a new monthly API credit to all Max and Team subscribers for use on the Claude Platform. Max 5x users will get $100 in credits per month, Max 20x users will get $200, and Team subscribers will receive up to $500, pooled across their users
This is a very big benefit for me. I can now ship actual ai enhanced features behind my subscription without paying extra or fully relying on on-device models. I do worry that this is to soften the blow for user-unfriendly changes
This is them sneaking in taking the Claude Agent SDK (claude -p) off of subscription plans through the back door along with a model release. They previously wanted to do this in June, but backpedaled after huge backlash:
Sorry that that help center article was misleading; we’ve updated it to clarify that `claude -p` has not been removed from subscriptions as part of this change!
That's super encouraging to hear, thank you for the clarification! I'd edit my original comment, but the edit window has unfortunately run out on it. Should be OK, though, since the help desk page is now explicit about it.
I hope people notice again that this is happening this time around.
Being forced through the non-OSS Claude Code with all of its quirks and issues is... such an exhausting use of force by Anthropic.
To the extent that you _can_ choose to disable telemetry and training on your traces in CC, it's not all that obvious what they gain by crippling your ability to use the subscription with other – better – tools.
It's also remarkable that it's coincident with OpenAI adding "Sign in with OpenAI", so that you can use your tokens with other tools.
Yes. Previously the page was all about how they were going to start charging for Agent SDK use with a banner on the top saying that, actually, they weren't going to do that.
The monthly credit allocation hasn't rolled out yet either, so as of right now, we're effectively at the status quo. I'd expect the billing change to land once you can actually collect your Claude Console account.
Those mfers. I'm using this for work! I use my work teams plan with pi so I can do all kinds of custom workflows that I can't in Claude Code. Time to convince management I need OpenAI instead.
Even after the June changes there was some allowance to use agent SDK on the pro plan. This will move me to codex tomorrow if agent SDK is really blocked on pro
*For now. If a company were to degrade something, it shouldn't be so obvious that the "goodwill" was just a reallocation. Just a good strategy. For example, it allows them to claim that they're "just going from 150% to 125% usage allowance, which is still more than 100%".
How credits work with `claude -p` is a common question we're seeing. we're updating the faq now to make sure it's more clear. Will share updated docs soon
Nah, it's pretty trivial to switch providers (especially with Claude's help, ha).
This is more to encourage people to try out adding AI into their product, which is a totally different flow and experience from using AI to build the product.
Not really, you have to fiddle with generating api keys and setting environment variables. Meanwhile with Anthropic it will just start charging you API prices for the tokens you are generating without even a single warning.
This is massive. So on top of the regular usage, we now have USD 200,- to freely use via the API however we please, even resell? That is a statement, even knowing that inference does not cost them nearly as much as they charge, this is very developer-friendly. Does some minor de-risking for testing concepts. Terms seem to be reasonable [0].
Of course, they don't do this out of pure kindness, but I really struggle to see a negative for subscribers already using a Claude Max subscription, especially given changing to another model is essentially frictionless via OpenRouter.
Compared with "Sign in via OpenAI" which they just announced, this is far less lock-in for anyone hosting services but less interesting for users of said services. With Anthropics approach, you can just use the allowance on your users however you see fit along with any other models and once it's used up, you can still just decide not to use their models for the remainder. With users bringing their tokens meanwhile, there is less flexibility in terms of switching for you, though might be cheaper for users.
Both interesting, each approaching this from a very different direction, each having their own trade-offs. On the OpenAI front, will be interesting whether developers can set specific temp, reasoning budgets, etc. for such "provided tokens" or whether OpenAI exposes that only via the actual API.
9x cheaper than Haiku 4.5 and 2 letter grades better. It's also now the fastest model (using the default speeds, not trying any of the other models "Fast" mode) to complete the exam.
Similar ballpark to Luna in price, cost, and accuracy. These are very cheap models: $0.38 to answer 40 in-depth data analytics questions (compared to $15 for Opus 5.5 or $20 for Astra).
Overall very good at data analysis - handling all of the straightforward data analytics questions correctly. It fell short answering some of the questions that required some deeper statistical analysis like looking into other variables. In other words, it's not as persistent as other models in its analysis, which I think we'd expect from how they're positioning the model.
Compared to OpenAI: GPT-6 Luna did a bit better and was about 30% the cost of Haiku 5.5. GPT-6.1 Sol got all answers correct, but was 10x more expensive.
My complaint about Haiku 4.5 was that it was 10x the price of GPT-6 Luna.
> Claude Haiku 5.5 is priced 90% lower than Claude Haiku 4.5 for requests up to 100,000 tokens, and 50% lower for requests over 100,000 tokens
Haiku and Luna now have the exact same price up to 100,000 tokens. Luna is now cheaper for anything after 100,000 tokens, even after Luna's own price increases at 270,000 it's still less than Haiku.
So it sounds like they've directly addressed that problem. Their self-reported benchmarks are all higher than Luna too.
Yep. I was looking at the prices of lower tier models a few weeks ago for zero/few shot tasks (pre Jev) and Haiku rates just didn't make sense at all. I ended up using 5.6-luna.
Good to know that is going back to being an actual option from perf/price perspective.
Gotta be careful about these benchmarks because they're extremely difficult questions that may be significantly more complex than questions you would ask of the model in real use.
If Haiku is "noticing" this and working harder to improve quality, you could still see similar or better cost-per-task in easier domains. ObviousBench is a good test of this.
One interesting thing is it took a look at the job at hand, and immediately delegated it to Opus 5.5. It at least knows what it isn't good at. Very fast though, and likely best used for small subagent tasks / tightly scoped work.
Interesting that you have gpt-6-luna at $0.01 vs. claude-haiku-5-5 at $0.16 for this task. I see the score disparity though and I played them briefly. My takeaway from this is that the choice between Luna and Haiku 5.5 may remain nuanced. Luna may be a lot cheaper still and good enough for some jobs. Is that your read of the results?
Actually, I misspoke. At least as far as Pac-Man Bench, Luna does about as good of a job. The ghost logic's not quite as good, but it also makes a map that doesn't have nonsensical sections in it. So maybe call it a wash.
Sure, but presumably Haiku was distilled from the same training data. Part of this is seeing how much the capabilities degrade as their model size goes down.
Neither of these look "good" to me. There is so much visual noise on the page, like someone turned the "AI Slop" dial to 11. In fact I prefer the simpler design Haiku made.
It's not really about whether the design looks good. It's about if the model can take the design given to it and replicate it in code. Opus 5.5 matches the designs almost to the pixel. Haiku built something else entirely.
Totally fair, but I'd encourage you not to look at the design so much as the task. This was a design that's part of a benchmark test suite specifically for image->html conversion. The dense visual noise / complexity / flowing svg shapes are things that most LLMs have trouble with.
The monthly API credits for Max plan seems fantastic, especially considering Haiku pricing. Being able to actually use my Claude plan for other harnesses and use-cases on top of regular CC usage is everything I wanted.
Anthropic has really been doing all the right things in the past few weeks, while OpenAI continues to fumble the bag.
Note that this is Anthropic Trojan-Horsing the previously announced June change in with a model release, where the Claude Agent SDK can no longer be used with Claude subscriptions and is now billed with API credits only.
yeah totally agree. esp how efficient it can be to have a subscription quota-paid orch spin up a bunch of API agents, this is kind of like free money to encourage what was already an easy way to save money (via batch pricing)
You could always use Claude models on other harnesses via API... just not via subscription. Now they give you $100 worth of API tokens to use on opencode or Pi. Which is better, but still not the same as OpenAI were you can use the subscription on Pi without problems.
About time Anthropic released a competitive cheap model. Haiku 4.5 has been too expensive compared to its performance for months now (in fact I don't remember being too impressed even when it was released). This one actually looks worth using in some scenarios. If it's really as much of a step up from Luna as the benchmarks they've shown indicate, it'll probably replace Luna in my workflows. 100k tokens is a pretty low threshold before the price goes up, but I tend to use these smaller models for smaller tasks anyway.
This is great! Been using GPT 6 Luna for decompiling my childhood favorite game (Age of Mythology) and this means I can throw Haiku into the mix as well. 17352/21965 functions matched so far...
How do you validate the functions are correct? I did something similar, letting it (mostly deepseek 4.1) translate from assembly to C but it commonly made mistakes, some really hard to discover and fix.
And to setup a harness that will decompile the game and start doing a matching decompilation of every function. It set up a bunch of tooling and started a service in the background to do this actual decompilation campaign. I put some instructions into the main opus chat now and then to e.g. add automatic git pushing including a nice svg chart of progress and to switch model strategies here and there i.e. to do a first pass with a cheap model and then switch to opus/sol if the small model can't solve it.
I've done the same with some old games I used to play, SimTower and Oregon Trail II, both fully decompiled and now running natively on modern macOS.
I'm going to try create an interactive twitch stream where viewers can play the game through the stream and other non-player viewers can trigger events in the game via points.
Crazy time we live in.
Edit, you come to really understand the game in the process, and why things happen and how to better play the game.
And occasionally come across bugs, dev assets, assets never used, or assets all coded up, but code never triggered.
Haha yeah, I saw that post when I looked into reverse engineering SimTower, that guy saved me so much time decompiling. Didn't get so lucky with Oregon Trail II, there are some very old github repo's with attempts, but none got very far.
We're definitely in the age of ports! Interested to see how the OT2 port turns out.
Reverse engineering Redhook's Revenge binary (an old DOS game) before the advent of LLMs cost me way more hours than I'd care to admit back in the day - so I can't wait to put an LLM to work on some more obscure games like Sword Quest.
On a side note I should really give Oregon Trail II a shot. I never got into any of the successors like Yukon Trail, Amazon Trail, etc.
Surprisingly, no. I've been using Fable and Astra both to orchestrate decompilation of a relatively modern game (delivered via Steam) and they have no qualms about it.
I want to get the original (Age of Mythology Gold Edition) running natively on macOS and then port it to WASM to run it on the web so I can easily play it with friends
Probably. There have been dozens of examples of taking old games (Crazy Taxi, Super Monkey Ball, Quake, etc) and making WASM browser equivalents using AI to decompile them just on "Show HN" alone.
They often ship the original assets in a somewhat brazen disregard for basic copyright law even when the games are still for sale on places like GOG though.
Last time I gave that a try (without LLM assistance though) it was really hard as games DirectX calls cannot simply be glued to WebGL so performance was bad.
At work we use haiku 4.5 for a handful of latency sensitive tasks that are fairly simple. It performs well. Just started testing 5.5 as I’ve been anticipating a nice improvement since it was teased. Results so far are trash. Prompt leakage even. And it’s slower. I guess it’s cheap but I think they got the balance wrong on this.
Thx I’m digging into it but am somewhat comforted not to be alone in this. Turning up the level helps some but then we lose the speed. I don’t know that we’ll switch to 5.5 and may shop a different provider.
Anecdotally we ran sonnet 4.6 for our more complex stuff and sonnet 5 was a LOT worse. 5.5 seems to have fixed it and we cut over our customer workloads. It’s strange, really.
Curious as to why. Haiku 4.5 has been far away from pareto frontier for a long time. Maybe you need to update your prompt for the newer model in your workflow.
My weekly limit __on a Pro sub__ has not gone over 50% since before the pre-Fable promos, but usage has been pretty much the same from my point of view. Maybe I am holding it right? Anyone else getting this?
As such, I do not need to even reach for Haiku, and 4.5 was so inaccurate that it often cost more to do so in the past. Sonnet 5.5/low has been good for this kind of thing, and i didn't even touch thinking tokens or any of that. Opus 5.5 low for questions/repros, medium for implementation, basically never reaching for anything above that anymore. 5.5 has been great, so I'll try Haiku, but don't see myself going out of my way to integrate it.
I'm excited for API use. I run some agents, mostly on Luna 6 right now. It's just tool use, web browsing, etc, so something dirt cheap, but also not super dumb, is much appreciated. Having a Luna competitor is nice.
I compared the costs between luna and haiku for some classification work. Luna comes out a fair amount cheaper due to more efficient tokenization and less outputs.
Yes -> every 18 months they've gotten 90% more efficient for the same level of quality for about 5 years. There's little sign that trend is slowing. If anything, there's reason to believe that System 1 models (plus potentially 1-2-3 workflows) may increase that over the next 3-5 years.
You'll know when the trend stops -> when the intelligence differential between smaller models like 7B starts to grow instead of shrink from 32B models -> that means 7B is getting about as smart as it can get. Then, 32B will follow next, then 70B, etc etc.
Super intelligence that doesn't have to deal with the real world, maybe.
I wouldn't be surprised if less than 1B param equivalent of our brain deals with solving math and writing computer programs and physics and all the things we tend to associate with "intelligence" - especially if you ultra optimized for that, I doubt our brain works like that.
Dealing with the real world, I highly highly doubt it.
How about if we get away from written text as the input, to something more fundamental, that then also is able to produce text (among other things)?
Given that humans learn to talk while having encountered a measly number of word instances, and, given enough time, we should always be able to improve on the lottery that is biology, it does seems fairly likely.
It would be interesting if running ends up being a more complex task than advanced math. And our brains are just 95% allocated to dealing with the real world.
To pay for the training of the models which are getting bigger and more expensive. So intelligence is getting cheaper overall but the need for ever-increasing intelligence can't be sated.'
Reddit is full of people complaining how they burn their 200$ sub in half an hour by starting ten Max sub agents. That’s to say, many people just don’t know what they’re doing.
Because models are only getting better at a rate of 10% per year, people always want the best quality possible. You can get SotA performance from a year ago for a fraction of the cost, but why would you use Opus 4.5 when you can use Opus 5.5?
I've heard tell about 100% of certain types of work being ended in batches of six months. For years. Truthfully, I'm skeptical, but accuracy wasn't prioritized.
serious bit: if you think about how these smaller models work, at the end of the day it seems that they are now capable of forgetting useless information because they're able to derive it in reasoning allowing models to become smaller at the cost of requiring more reasoning tokens to solve a task.
Knowledge will be shifted to systems like n-gram augmentation which are relatively cheap and will not compete with reasoning capabilities for weight saturation.
> Claude Haiku 5.5 is our fastest model to date at each model’s standard speed, although it runs less quickly than our Opus models in Fast Mode.
Opus 5.5 runs 117 tps average on Openrouter, so it must be at least 10-20 tps slower for them to mention. IDK why they mention this as it does not help for marketing though.
https://openrouter.ai/anthropic/claude-opus-5.5
131tok/s P50 according to OpenRouter currently, though might move up or down over the coming days. If it sticks at that speed, roughly twice the throughput of Luna and far lower latency (up to 2sec depending on provider) is impressive, though the 5x price increase beyond 100k is painful.
Was a big fan of Haiku 4.5, though understand why for most Sonnet was the far better option back then.
> we’ll roll out a new monthly API credit to all Max and Team subscribers for use on the Claude Platform. Max 5x users will get $100 in credits per month, Max 20x users will get $200
They’re definitely planning to make the subscriptions API based so they can charge you full price.
At a glance, looks competitive on the pareto. I hope it retains the flavor of sonnet 5.5 and opus 5.5. Both are extremely good and productive. I have had a lot more issues with gpt 6/6.1 and getting what I want out of them.
The forgotten model is back on the map. I actually got OK mileage when I tried it for coding months ago. Maybe I'll try it again, with Opus guiding it, and see how it goes.
> Second, this week, we’ll roll out a new monthly API credit to all Max and Team subscribers for use on the Claude Platform. Max 5x users will get $100 in credits per month, Max 20x users will get $200, and Team subscribers will receive up to $500, pooled across their users. These credits are designed to allow our users to experiment with building tools, apps, and agents that call our API.
Is it realistic or cynical for me to assume this is to wean developers off the heavily subsidized subscriptions? Presumably it's using similar compute.
Alright its still little early since there is not enough independent testing but this looks very promising and I wasn't expecting anthropic to beat GPT-6 Luna especially at the same price. Haiku 5.5 beats Luna on every shared benchmark Anthropic published, particularly computer use and agentic coding.
I have a zsh functions that calls claude code with haiku to suggest commit messages, is faster and the instructions are two lines.
I also have an "ask" script that I use daily to ask simple stuff, it can access websearch and webfetch, it's more than enough to parse logs, ask for commands, quick research on the internet, small stuff. https://github.com/mariocesar/dotfiles/blob/main/common/.loc...
I use haiku for things that needs to be quick, have really clear instructions.
with claude -p seemingly now using api credits I guess this approach will have to change unfortunately :/ I wonder what will be the best cmdline way to do things like these
I've been using GPT-6 Luna in some capacity for nearly all my agent workflows. It's just a really good model, and the pricing is cheap. If Haiku 5.5 is better, and the same price (under 100k context... which is a big caveat) i'd probably swap it.
It’s absolutely better than Luna. It feels closer to a “sonnet 5.2” if that makes sense.
Of course it’s not as big, and hence falls-off quicker. I’d consider the 100k a “promotional price” to match Luna’s token pricing while delivering noticeably more intelligence.
Opus often picks it when it's doing a "find me something" subagent. But largely it's been held back by being fully a year old at this point, and priced at a much higher price than models that are far more capable.
not haiku, but luna - last week i used it for things like "read this historical dump of 15k support tickets and break them into categories that make sense, then propose help docs that i could write to handle the most frequent queries in each category"
It's great at parsing documents inexpensively. For the few skills/plugins I've made, I usually instruct Claude to use Haiku for low-reasoning grunt work.
Apparently quite a bit smarter than Luna, I wonder what use cases it can cover. I actually honestly don't need a Haiku level AI to be that smart, and looks like you pay for it in the per token cost, I need speed mainly. I might even rather have a dumber but much faster model for things like web searching and parsing to retrieve results for the app or other LLM to do things with.
no AA benchmarks yet and the last chart in the announcement makes Haiku look useless vs new Sonnet pricing, interesting to see what 3rd party benchmarks show because i think Anthropic are costpertaskmaxxing here and it's going to look more like that bottom chart than the top ones.
That was effectively required to match GPT-6.1 Sol (costs and caching prices are now equal). Sonnet 5.5 made zero sense to use over Opus 5.5 under the old cache prices.
IMO, this is better. Luna is super cheap, but it's not that capable. At higher levels of reasoning, it's not that fast.
This is more expensive, but it also looks like it's better enough that it's far more useful.
I also won't be surprised if you look at cost per completed task + wall clock time that it comes out ahead for the majority of what you'd want to actually use it for.
Luna will still be a great option for doing non-engineering tasks super cheaply.
> Second, this week, we’ll roll out a new monthly API credit to all Max and Team subscribers for use on the Claude Platform. Max 5x users will get $100 in credits per month, Max 20x users will get $200, and Team subscribers will receive up to $500, pooled across their users. These credits are designed to allow our users to experiment with building tools, apps, and agents that call our API. They can be used on any of our models. For more information, see our Help Center article.
Did anyone read this? We get free API credits on some plans now
To correct myself. The price was not lower. It was up about 20% for the tokens. But, the big price hike was that it used a lot more tokens for the same tasks.
> but they still block penetration testing and other techniques more likely to be used by attackers.
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> Haiku 5.5’s biology safeguards are the same as for Sonnet 5, Sonnet 5.5, and Opus 5. They allow research biology questions but restrict access to requests that we judge as likely to cause harm. Organizations working on wider-ranging biology and cyber activities can apply to our Life Sciences Verification Program and Cyber Verification Program.
I would like to take a moment of your time to tell you about some of the "bioweapons" Anthropic has blocked that involved Haiku!
> Importantly, because our biological safety classifiers robustly block content involving high-risk biological research (in this case, the construction of enhanced pandemic potential pathogens), all of these exchanges occurred on models in our weakest class of models (specifically, the models were Claude Sonnet 4 and Haiku 4.5, the latter of which the user began using after Sonnet 4 was deprecated).
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> Upon a detailed examination of the exchanges, we estimate that the uplift provided by Claude was primarily clerical assistance in data analysis, study ideation and design. This is consistent with our understanding of the capabilities of Sonnet 4 and Haiku 4.5, which are not able to perform expert-level biology research tasks; we estimate that the uplift provided to the researcher was limited and substantially lower than it would have been from one of our more capable models.
Anthropic then says for the above, "we estimate that the uplift provided by Claude was primarily clerical assistance in data analysis, study ideation and design"
While doing my best to avoid comment, please note, they're talking about a domain expert in a state research institution using Claude to do paperwork.
What did they save us from? What bioweapons did these filters prevent? From the front matter report,
> The above LLM platform is not the only route via which researchers engaged in viral gain-of-function research have used our platform. In May 2026, we discovered a researcher outside the US using Claude in their research on highly-pathogenic avian influenza (“bird flu”). The research focused on viruses’ adaptation to mammals, and the mechanism by which it causes severe disease beyond the respiratory tract.
OK. Sounds serious. "Gain of function research..." but who and why?
> The researcher pursued this work in a credible institutional context, and interacted with Claude over the course of several weeks, exchanging thousands of messages. In these exchanges, the researcher leveraged Claude’s knowledge of the scientific literature to assist the researcher in study planning and design, data analysis, and the interpretation and prioritization of experiments. The researcher also used Claude for editorial assistance in writing up the research.
So this was a researcher inside of some country's national lab ("credible institutional context") doing research on dangerous viruses using Claude for "for editorial assistance in writing up the research."
What "uplift" are you providing to scientists working at specialized global BSL-4 labs that already have – and I quote their report - "physical access to such isolates." (as in samples of viruses)? Are we uplifting their grammar?
These "safeguards" are being expanded. The scientists I know can't use Claude for grammar checks or anything serious. You can try it for yourself.
Can you please not be so sneery/grouchy? That's far worse for HN than suboptimal benchmarks. The guidelines specifically ask us to avoid being curmudgeonly.
Yeah, people like to poop on the pelican. But pelican quality still correlated with overall model capabilities reasonably well, and you can immediately see and interpret it. It's a running gag, but it also does have some actual value.
> Haiku 5.5’s cybersecurity safeguards are more restrictive than Haiku 4.5’s, but somewhat less restrictive than those we’ve applied to other recent models. In cybersecurity, they permit a wider range of defensive tasks than our safeguards for Sonnet 5.5, but they still block penetration testing and other techniques more likely to be used by attackers.
If you block pentest or "other techniques more likely to be used by attackers", then what does "permit a wider range of defensive tasks" even mean?
Any defensive task that's meaningful is almost indistinguishable from legitimate red-teaming that then falls under 'likely to be used by attackers". If only they would just stop nerfing these models, that'd be great. No APT is waiting around for Anthropic's permission, so might as well let us have some cool stuff.
Pelicans riding bicycles for Haiku at the different thinking levels: https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer?url=ht...
Low messes up the bicycle frame, but medium/high/xhigh/max all get the bicycle frame right.
The max one took 5 minutes 9 seconds and cost 3.3826 cents. The cheapest one (low) cost 0.0936 cents and took 7 seconds.
The most recent release of my llm-anthropic plugin queries the Anthropic model listing API directly, so I didn't have to upgrade the plugin to add support for this model:
EDIT: Here's the Haiku 4.5 pelican from a year ago for comparison, it was terrible: https://simonwillison.net/2025/Oct/15/claude-haiku-45/thinking_effort: max Reasoning trace: This is the classic pelican-on-bicycle SVG test.
Opus 5.5 had similar response on max: This is a classic test request
https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer?url=ht...
I think your test is already embedded into the models. You should search for new frontier tests to subject the models to. Maybe they should now try to unify the standard model and general relativity in physics. I'm pretty sure this is nowhere to be found in any training data nor shared in any chat between a scientist and a LLM ;)
The fact that they've heard of the test doesn't seem to help them draw a good picture of a pelican riding a bicycle.
That said... here's "Generate an SVG of an armadillo in fishnet tights jaywalking on Mars" on xhigh for comparison: https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer?url=ht... (and here's the same thing from other models: https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer?url=ht...)
Why even respond to these comments anymore?
Every new model you make this post, every time there’s someone who posits it might be trained on, and every time the answer is “maybe but probably not” it’s not a worthwhile conversation to have at this point, either the models can do some arbitrary thing or they can’t.
Whoah!!! gemini/gemini-3.8-flash is what I've been hoping to eventually see with the pelicans!
Maybe they're as sick of it as some of us are?
LLMs hallucinate and pander. Calling something "classic" is a common LLMism
right? "im having this niche problem i find no information on anywhere, any ideas?" and you get "ahh this is the classic <wrong, other niche problem>"
Of course, the sun again. Everyone knows that a pelican can't ride a bicycle without a sun in the frame and can only go right.
I wonder if we'll start to see pelicans like a mascot of sorts. You could have a pelican pin on your backpack.
> "What's up with the pelican?"
Well you see in the early days of LLMs we wanted a fun way to test new models, and there was this blog, ...
Will Smith eating spaghetti is the OG benchmark
Do people really want to be seen making using AI part of their personality?
Like most things, it depends. Think of the web devs of yore with MacBook Pros and Angular and React and Vim stickers stuck aside their glowing Apple logo (no longer a thing unfortunately). IMO having a pelican pin would be more of the same - advertising you are a developer of some kind. An attempt to bridge the gap to a stranger who might be into the same thing. The tech changes, the desire to signal things doesn't. The usual Exceptions(tm) apply of course.
Yeah, but Vim is cool.
Vim is indeed cool. So is mg. I'd argue so is having my graphics card performing work on my behalf.
Several people I work with have adopted its mannerisms unironically. Then again we don't exactly hang out outside of work.
The grass too, everyone knows bikes ride on grass.
The medium thinking effort one doesn't have a sun at all?
I always find the time/token differences between the xhigh and the max effort levels for Claude models absolutely insane.
Even more so, because in a lot of their benchmarks they use the max models. I honestly think I'd rather these labs use their xhigh models as the default for benchmarking instead since I don't think the average person is even using max.
Benchmarks are the entire reason why max exists
I use max all the time, a bit annoyed that they keep trying to silently switch me off it. (Claude Code will refuse to remember a setting of max and will continually reset it to xhigh - I have an objection to these patterns in general)
I'm definitely not the average person though.
I say half facetiously - have you tried writing a skill or rule to remember your setting as a workaround?
I actually don't like that it sometimes remembers the last model/effort i used. I should be able to set a default model/effort that is separate from the one off fable runs I use.
"s" for just this session. "ENTER" for use it and set it as the default.
I thought the thinking effort was specified out of band from that, though maybe it's not. Not sure if the model was trained to listen in other areas. The biggest issue is, it's difficult to tell if it works because you can no longer see the thinking! Though I guess if you can't tell a difference in the output, was there any point to max in the first place?
Long legs to illustrate me attempting to stretch my budget by using Haiku the last week of the month.
I find it helpful when you post your link that compares the model to other models in the same class or family, or shows progression over time.
The pelicans all start to look the same after a while.
But seeing the comparison to other models by class, family, or historical progression gives an excellent frame of reference.
Good call, I've edited my comment.
Here's the Haiku 4.5 pelican from a year ago - it sucked in comparison to Haiku 5.5: https://simonwillison.net/2025/Oct/15/claude-haiku-45/
How does Haiku 5.5 compare with modern alts in its class, like Luna-6 or OSS models of similar speed/cost?
You can browse through other models here - Haiku is doing pretty well now compared to Luna et al: https://simonwillison.net/tags/pelican-riding-a-bicycle/
Hmm… is there like a chart that shows rough quality vs cost?
I'm still getting network errors. Seems to be CORS-related.
Claude still can’t decide which side of the bill should be darker/lighter smh
I thought Anthropic models didn’t generate images.
This is SVG, but recent Anthropic models have got extremely good at other forms of visual data.
Here's a Blender model I had Claude Opus 5.5 create: https://tools.simonwillison.net/blender-viewer?url=https%3A%...
And here's some animated pixel art by Opus 5.5: https://tools.simonwillison.net/kakapo-party
And some Monkey Island style music (Opus can compose music too): https://tools.simonwillison.net/scrimshaw-jukebox
Anthropic's models do all of this by outputting code. GPT-6 Astra has similar capabilities - I got this Blender model using that: https://tools.simonwillison.net/blender-viewer?url=https%3A%...
Pardon, I have a lot of questions about that Scrimshaw music text format. It's clever. Did you invent it, and is it specifically intended to be written to by LLMs? Is the editor/player LLM-coded as well, and was this its recommendation for a format that would be easy for LLMs to write? I'm wondering why this instead of say, asking it to write a .MOD file.
Opus invented it, and wrote the player, and the songs.
My prompts were:
> I want you to write some computer game music for me. First design simple text based format for the music and build an artifact that can play it out loud - include some example tracks in that artifact
> I am looking for music of the quality of the original secret of Monkey Island
And then later:
> Modify scrimshaw jukebox to add a copy-paste prompt that explains the music format, it should be shown at the bottom of the page below the readable instructions, the prompt should be designed to help any LLM tool compose music in the correct format. It should have a copy to clipboard button.
https://claude.ai/share/1f721c20-2499-4d23-b368-3ab57146d956 and then https://claude.ai/code/session_01R3xuRtjVHqHo1GNbget6Tu
What was the prompt for the widow's bay egg?
I pasted in a concept image (created by ChatGPT images here https://chatgpt.com/share/6ac16336-c288-83e8-9f28-084d184363...) and prompted:
> Use your blender local skill to create a blender model of this faverge egg
The blender local skill is this one: https://github.com/simonw/gpt-6-astra-blender-pelican-bicycl... - which I described here: https://til.simonwillison.net/llms/blender-coding-agents-mac...
I’ve had it transcribe speech from images of a waterfall viz
This is great! Love the pixel art and tunes.
They are really good at generating artifacts, which are windows within the replies containing all kind of visualization, often interactive.
They are still not great at SVG. I just asked Opus and Fable to add a background to an SVG and the results were, well, not great.
SVG is hard.
Tried it with GPT-6 Astra with Ultra but the outcome was underwhelming with Blender. Maybe it was my prompting ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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That's a bit extreme.
I think the music from the original is art, and I have enormous respect for it - I can still hum some of those tunes out loud thirty years later.
The "music" in my demo helps show that text-based LLMs can do a passable job of composing simple 90s-era imitations of computer game music. That's interesting, because most people don't like not expect a text LLM to be able to do that.
I’ve been playing around with Opus 5.5 which has made a big leap over previous generations in its ability to use a simple drawing-instruction prompt to generate images.
This creates Sierra AGI-style adventure game scenes painted live from simple Turtle-esque drawing instructions so you can basically provide it an empty canvas and then position text labels on the canvas where you want certain things (tavern, oak tree, etc) and it will generate a custom script for rendering them in a EGA graphics style.
https://kq-styles.specr.net
They generate svg. You can paste in pngs and they'll convert them to svg with varying degrees of success.
They don’t do raster images.
This isn't entirely true! Here's a cat I had claude write the binary "directly" to a .bmp file! ;)
https://imgur.com/a/i7KAgB6
Those are SVGs not images.
I've created multiple videos using Claude Code, including music and speech. It generates python which in turn generates frame PNGs that it runs through ffmpeg.
Please don't judge me too harshly for this particular poop video. But here is an example of something 100% generated with claude prompts only.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EqMplbt0gU
To clarify the ”100%” part - the Python script generated the video output, and you did nothing? No video edit at all? Then I think it is impressive! Are you able to share the prompts you used?
Source code is linked from the video! Scan the QR code. I will try to /resume tonight and give you some prompts.
I mean Claude code sessions are all jsonl files that it can interrogate on its own. Get a new agent to capture how it was made and what the prompts were. No need for tedious /resume’ing and prompting.
It's the easiest way to convey what I was doing. Anyway, some prompts added. I have other videos too if intersted.
I'm going to truncate a lot of this. But here is the root prompt that will get you a video.
[discussions about acts, characters, darkening theme, etc.]Workshopping the acts:
Here is a refinement prompt:The Purple Screen of Death at the end :)
SVG is code
They're SVGs
Bruh. Svg. It is like drawing something with geometric shapes which are represented using equations.
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Pricing is...a bit weird.
100k tokens is an absurdly low cutoff and it is only applicable to Haiku and not Sonnet or Opus. It's a low enough cutoff that it will be quickly exceeded if you are doing anything with Agents; for typical generation or Jev-like classifiers, it's a good value and as noted in this article, that is apparently the vast majority of Haiku use.In both cases, still much cheaper than Haiku 4.5's $1 input / $5 output and these prices better compete with GPT-6 Luna. ($0.10 input / $0.50 output, but with no token threshold [EDIT: the threshold for Luna is apparently 272k])
Haiku 5.5 is noticeably smarter than GPT-6 Luna, so I can see their pricing strategy here.
For a while Anthropic has lacked a cost effective “cheap” LLM for summarisation, compacting, RAG helpers, etc.
These ‘ephemeral’ workloads are often under 100k tokens, or can be structured to be under 100k.
In some coding benchmarks, Haiku 5.5 beats Sonnet 5! (Especially implementation; do a well defined Jira ticket; etc), it’s really impressive how much intelligence per dollar has grown in just a few short months.
I said this in another comment, but Artificial Analysis has the cost per task of Haiku on max roughly equal to that of Sol on medium, and the latter is significantly more intelligent. (And I'd wager that Sol probably finishes tasks more quickly, even with Haiku inference being faster.) So Haiku really only makes sense on lower reasoning levels, and only if you care about intelligence and speed more than you do about cost effectiveness (where Luna currently dominates). And that's without even bringing Chinese models into the mix.
noticeably smarter remains to be seen in practice. For now, Haiku is a bit more expensive than Luna on < 100k token, but I just don't have any agentic work below 100k, so this is going to be 5x more expensive than shown on these charts. It's hardly competitive ...
No? Don't use these lower end models to work on small well defined tasks with a frontier model orchestrating? This approach works very well for me and don't have any issue staying under 100k. I have no idea if it's cheaper but it does seem to be much faster for tasks like QA.
> it’s really impressive how much intelligence per dollar has grown in just a few short months.
Open weights models giving a distant salute from afar
Yes, it was weird to see MiMo and DeepSeek missing in the article's comparison...
It's not that weird. Most companies considering paying Anthropic are probably not considering Chinese models as alternatives. Many don't even realize they exist.
The thing is: availability of near-SOTA cheap Chinese models is forcing OAI and Anthropic to bring prices down and offer more efficient models, instead of simply focusing on super expensive SOTA LLMs.
Is it? I would guess that it's much more about the race to get customers as they both near IPO than anything to do with the Chinese models.
we are actively preparing to move our devs from closed to open models, take it as a piece of anecdata
the trend in industry is clear by now though
"companies" is a meaningless metric.
If you want to make it about 99% of real world companies, they are all on Gemini or Copilot anyway, nobody is going through legal and procurement to get models from dubious silicon valley startups when you have relations with Microsoft or Google or Amazon from ages because some benchmark is showing some minor digit benefit when vibe coding GTA 6.
I said "most companies considering paying Anthropic", which is not the same as "most companies". I also don't agree that "nobody" is doing this; I have lots of anecdata suggesting otherwise. Maybe the majority of companies are using the easy option of Copilot or Gemini like you said, but it's nowhere near 99%.
Yes it is. Literally every company Ive spoken too about this only has MS teams co-pilot lol. Like all of them are using the most basic form of AI.
They dont even know about Anthropic and think its just "AI". By the way this includes one of the largest power systems design firms in the world, who helps build many datacenters... Uses only MS copilot.
Do you understand how many companies there are? Your anecdata is wholly useless
Well, I can add two more points to your anecdata. I personally know of two companies where only exposure for peasants is Copilot.
Vibe coding gta 6 haha
Is Mimo good? I've never tried it, but I've seen it mentioned three times in this subthread alone. DSv4.1 is my daily driver.
As context grows, it gets slower and dramatically slower. Otherwise it's pretty good.
The benchmarks are very long form logic, knowledge, and coding tasks though. I'm very interested in Haiku 5.5's performance on ObviousBench where Luna 6 is currently SotA.
There's also a tokenizer efficiency difference: modern Claude's 100K tokens are about ~60-65K modern GPT tokens, so in reality the Luna cutoff is much further away than the Haiku one.
You can test with Anthropic's count_tokens endpoint or with https://crates.io/crates/tokwc
> ...this tokenizer, the same input text produces approximately 30% more tokens on Claude Haiku 5.5 than on Claude Haiku 4.5.
So, it is might be even worse.
No, it's just Haiku 4.5 is so old that it predates the new Claude tokenizer change in Claude 4.7+
It's actually existing flat per-token pricing that is weird.
Neither encode nor decode are linear in compute, so providers need to price for average expected length.
This is just getting closer to the true cost of generating tokens.
My theory here is that providers cover the non-constant costs of output tokens as context length caries using the cache input fees.
Flat pricing is weird too but jumping up 5x at one cutoff is surprising in the other direction IMO
Flat per-token pricing is likely just logistically easier, particularly if these closed models are also picking up the kv cache efficiency improvements seen in recent open weight models.
You would think with all this AI available, they could figure out the pricing to be as granular as necessary.
If you can't get any coding done with 100K context that is either a broken model, a broken harness or a skill issue. I would mostly use Haiku in task or explorer subagents. I'm not saying I stay under that on every task, but I do have quite a few sessions that cap out well below that, so that price difference would be very meaningful.
I use Luna for this day in and out and its excellent - if Haiku is that much better I will be changing things up.
>If you can't get any coding done with 100K context that is either a broken model, a broken harness or a skill issue.
"less context is better and if you can't get stuff done with less yur bad" is the worst argument ever.
it might be pure luxury to your eyes, but it's great to not require the use of a special custom harness that transcribes everything into emoji and compresses everything into barcode images.
it's great to have a million token context to throw a large project into. If I need 100k just about any current gen consumer GPU in the world has very good models that I can self host for 100k context, limiting myself to 100k on someone elses machine seems to be missing a lot of the point unless the model itself is extraordinary.
It isn't an argument, and I never said it is better. It is an explanation for why the pricing break is relevant. Anyone can do the same things to take advantage of that pricing. Would you prefer I not explain a basic fact to someone who may not know what is possible?
The services are priced this way because larger context has significantly higher costs. That is a fact about the technology and it is true for every provider. So moaning about it isn't useful.
On the other hand, there are a lot of people who don't manage context effectively - who start every session with 60K tokens - and that is significantly hurting the performance of every single thing they do with coding agents.
So what's your setup? Speaking as a "open terminal in repo, open Claude, say 'do this thing please '" kinda guy I'm interested in learning about these more advanced techniques.
Notable that one suggested use case for Haiku is "classification requests", i.e. Jev competitor, and the pricing matches GPT-6 Luna which is behind OpenAI's "Decisions API" Jev competitor.
For this application 100K token input is plenty.
Of course Anthropic and OpenAI, both at $0.10/M, are still 2.5x the cost of Jev's $0.04/M.
I think the 2.5 times cost but actually pays off in terms of intelligence compared to jev and the general capability of using it beyond classification
The classification performance remains to be seen, but presumably we'll soon start to see classification benchmarks.
For other tasks like summaries (another suggested usage) it's good to see Haiku and Luna now competing against each other on cost.
I'd love to know how the business automation market breaks down by volume of call type though - hard to imagine that decision making (e.g. branching, triage) isn't a very large part of it, greater than these other suggested Haiku use cases.
Luna does as well, but just at a higher limit.
From OpenAI's website: Prompts with more than 272K input tokens are priced at 2x input and cache rates and 1.5x output for the full request.
Huh, that disclaimer is on the model page (https://developers.openai.com/api/docs/models/gpt-6-luna) but not the pricing page. Annoying.
Fixed.
So even at the 1.5x/2x rate luna is still half the price of this. Weird pricing strategy from Anthropic. I'm sticking with Luna if I don't need a super smart model
You're judging purely by token cost I assume, not cost per completed task?
The benchmark in the article showed it as lower per completed task than luna, but I guess we'll find out how representative that is. Anthropic has generally been fairly honest in their benchmarking though.
The cost per task from Artificial Analysis is roughly 3x higher at every reasoning effort level for Haiku than Luna. Sol 6.1 on medium has the same cost per task as Haiku with significantly higher intelligence. According to those numbers (which you should take with a grain of salt), from a pure cost vs intelligence standpoint, you're better off using Luna for economics and Sol for intelligence.
With that said, the real reason to use Haiku is that it's faster than all of these models. OpenRouter is showing an average so far of 93 tokens/sec, and AA got at least 137 in each of their benchmarks. So it might be valuable for speed at lower thinking levels. (At higher thinking levels, it's likely going to take longer to produce results than Sol on low/medium.)
https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/releases/comparisons/cl...
yes, that's true. I should be looking at the $/completed task
Isn't it less than a year since Claude models went from 100k token limit to 1M limit? Don't get me wrong - my main agent normally gets to 25% or so before I clear it these days, but as a subagent, doing research or summarisation, I don't think 100k is "absurdly low".
They are targeting businesses/API use for fast decision making and agent integration. Plus they now need to be competitive with Jev-type models in that space.
I think they are also trying to make sure Deepseek and other chinese models don't eat their lunch. They need something price competitive.
If you look at how different reasoning levels can easily exceed task cost of sonnet 5.5 you will see that you will basically never fall into that under 100,000 token threshold. I mean maybe you can choose low and do a basic summary task, but then you could choose something much cheaper instead. I don't know what Anthropic is thinking with its dumber models.
You could also use it as a subagent prompted eg by Sonnet/Opus orchestrator agent and for many agentic workflows significant part of the dispatched tasks might be under 100k budget.
I with they'd give Haiku like 400k tokens roughly, I think between 400k or even 600k tokens is a sweet spot, but Haiku is basically designed to be for small edits is my understanding, but it sucks because any time I ask Opus to "try" letting Haiku do the work, it just falls apart and Opus comes back and tells me it switched to Sonnet (even before Sonnet finally jumped up to 5.x).
I will try the new Haiku, but it would be worthwhile if Haiku could take sane instructions and do all file editing for Opus / Sonnet / Fable then it would be worth using.
>> 100k tokens is an absurdly low cutoff and it is only applicable to Haiku and not Sonnet or Opus. It's a low enough cutoff that it will be quickly exceeded if you are doing anything with Agents
Your vibes don't appear to be supported by facts. From the announcement:
>> Claude Haiku 5.5 is priced 90% lower than Claude Haiku 4.5 for requests up to 100,000 tokens, and 50% lower for requests over 100,000 tokens. On Haiku 4.5, 90% of requests fell into the former category.
People weren't using Haiku 4.5 for agents before. 5.5 is good enough that it might be.
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Haiku 4.5 users were using it for Kleenex requests because that was the best it could do.
Not really. We use Haiku 4.5 to turn users' natural language queries and requests into fairly complex structured specs for interior design and construction. It has near perfect accuracy.
How many examples are in your prompt? How large is that prompt? Or do you have some other way of tuning the output?
I'm asking to learn for a similar project, not to discount anything you're saying.
I mostly use Haiku for really, really basic stuff, never for actual engaging work. I've used it for first-pass analysis to triage bugs, for example - all it does is related N bugs together to see if any potentially relate. Then I have Sonnet investigate further.
interesting! thx for your info
encode and decode tok/s which is ($/s) when it comes to pricing drops heavily above 100k tokens.
There are plenty of workflows like translations where you'd easily be under the cap.
This is pretty good tbh
Chatbot could be < 100k tokens.
Who in their right mind would use haiku while Mimo or GLM cost 10% of what they are charging with much smarter models?
That's not what any benchmarks that look at cost per task or similar says in terms of cost. The Chinese models, generally speaking, might be cheaper per token but need a lot more tokens to get there.
Except for the new MiMo V2.6 models, which appear to give some of the best value right now, at least on paper. (I haven't tried them so I can't speak from experience.)
Some people/organizations are ideologically opposed to using Chinese models. Not me, I use GLM-5.3-Flash for almost everything (the subscription-subsidized pricing on a legacy Z.ai plan makes it the best value model by a wide margin), along with some MiMo and DeepSeek. Still, I use Luna for certain tasks where speed is more valuable than performance; I can see this new Haiku displacing Luna for those. If you mean Haiku 4.5 though I agree, that model was a waste of time and money.
There's also fomo and what I believe is faniticism.
Even for simple tasks why use X if I know "Y Max" is available and on paper, better?
And why use something else when your favorite company releases something. Surely it must always be the best one to use.
I’m on the Legacy v2 plan and same: nothing comes close to 5.3 Flash’s value on it. It’s crazy, no wonder they discontinued them!
Luna is not really the fastest. You need to use it in high/max to get the good output for what it is good for: summarizing. And that is already close to two minutes per task...
Isn't the point of this release that it's comparable?
AAI Index // Input // Output
Haiku 5.5: 43 // $0.10 // $0.50
Mimo 2.6 Pro: 46 // $0.43 // $0.87
Mimo 2.6 Flash: 38 // $0.10 // $0.28
Seems competitive to me? Plus then I don't have to manage multiple providers
On subscription pricing a $20 Anthropic subscription gives >$500 equivalent tokens, which is not so different, and you get smarter models. API pricing has decent margins.
And Opus 5.5 is really good.
Presumably everyone who doesn't bother integrating a third party API key into their harness, which would probably be most of the Claude Code users.
Where do you get this 10% number? Checking providers I know/respect, and GLM 5.3 flash is $0.15/m. Haiku is $0.10/m.
Well, unless you're using OpenCode Go, it's per-token costs (even if already super low), while Haiku falls under the Claude sub. It's just more straight forward and you aren't feeling a "loss" with the sub.
There really aren't any models at 10% of the price of Luna or Haiku.
People who are stuck using Bedrock in-geo due to their company policy (me).
It's their creative way of 'matching' Luna's prices.
It could be to incentivize people to not be lazy users of tokens.
> Second, this week, we’ll roll out a new monthly API credit to all Max and Team subscribers for use on the Claude Platform. Max 5x users will get $100 in credits per month, Max 20x users will get $200, and Team subscribers will receive up to $500, pooled across their users
This is a very big benefit for me. I can now ship actual ai enhanced features behind my subscription without paying extra or fully relying on on-device models. I do worry that this is to soften the blow for user-unfriendly changes
This is them sneaking in taking the Claude Agent SDK (claude -p) off of subscription plans through the back door along with a model release. They previously wanted to do this in June, but backpedaled after huge backlash:
https://support.claude.com/en/articles/15036540-use-the-clau...
Sorry that that help center article was misleading; we’ve updated it to clarify that `claude -p` has not been removed from subscriptions as part of this change!
That's super encouraging to hear, thank you for the clarification! I'd edit my original comment, but the edit window has unfortunately run out on it. Should be OK, though, since the help desk page is now explicit about it.
They changed this from earlier today... It's still very confusing.
one day they might realize the importance of reading llm output... maybe?
No one else does so why would they
lots of people are staying human-in-the-loop
Anthropic is among the worst, their linux kernel hack is a prime example, didn't even count the "CVEs" to see Mythos can't count either
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnV_cWeoo5Q
OpenAI just as bad with hugging face/wikipedia
I find OAI much worse on the negligence side, especially with the Tumbler Ridge school shooting
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/mother-jones...
ANT annoys me more with their ai psychosis on steroids
Was it ever? I thought that whole thing was paused. Still unclear if personal use of agent sdk inside a harness is allowed.
I hope people notice again that this is happening this time around.
Being forced through the non-OSS Claude Code with all of its quirks and issues is... such an exhausting use of force by Anthropic.
To the extent that you _can_ choose to disable telemetry and training on your traces in CC, it's not all that obvious what they gain by crippling your ability to use the subscription with other – better – tools.
It's also remarkable that it's coincident with OpenAI adding "Sign in with OpenAI", so that you can use your tokens with other tools.
The page does not say anything about changing the way Agent SDK bills. I just tested Agent SDK and nothing has changed (yet).
You might be right and they will change this in the future, but that's speculative
> Claude Max and Team plans now include monthly API credits, which cover the Claude Agent SDK, the Claude API, and Claude Managed Agents.
This text has replaced the entirety of the page called "Use the Claude Agent SDK with your Claude plan."
Yes. Previously the page was all about how they were going to start charging for Agent SDK use with a banner on the top saying that, actually, they weren't going to do that.
...yes, a banner which has also now disappeared and been replaced, with the explicit mention that API credits "cover the Claude Agent SDK"?
What more do you need?
Well, it doesn't currently work that way on the latest SDK. If there's a change coming, it hasn't happened yet.
The monthly credit allocation hasn't rolled out yet either, so as of right now, we're effectively at the status quo. I'd expect the billing change to land once you can actually collect your Claude Console account.
The previous note confirming subscription billing has now reappeared
Those mfers. I'm using this for work! I use my work teams plan with pi so I can do all kinds of custom workflows that I can't in Claude Code. Time to convince management I need OpenAI instead.
Time to convince management (and yourself) to build some skills. :)
Or just for the token usage. The rug pull is coming eventually
Yeah there's no way in hell you're going to convince management to pay 10x for the same work because "human skills".
Spent many years building skills, I'm just working on a different level now.
Even after the June changes there was some allowance to use agent SDK on the pro plan. This will move me to codex tomorrow if agent SDK is really blocked on pro
How credits work with `claude -p` is a common question. we're updating the faq now to make sure it's more clear
Update: We just updated the docs to clarify how API credits can be used w/ claude -p: https://support.claude.com/en/articles/15036540-use-the-clau...
These are api tokens, you can build a business with them using any harness.
Yes, but they're wildly lower in value than the corresponding subscription usage.
Nothing is being removed as part of this!
*For now. If a company were to degrade something, it shouldn't be so obvious that the "goodwill" was just a reallocation. Just a good strategy. For example, it allows them to claim that they're "just going from 150% to 125% usage allowance, which is still more than 100%".
Do we know if claude -p is now drawing from this API usage?
How credits work with `claude -p` is a common question we're seeing. we're updating the faq now to make sure it's more clear. Will share updated docs soon
Update: We just updated the docs to clarify how API credits can be used w/ claude -p: https://support.claude.com/en/articles/15036540-use-the-clau...
Not yet, as of version 2.1.293. But I suspect this is coming next.
That's what the Agent SDK is, according to this help page:
https://code.claude.com/docs/en/headless
So, as written, yes.
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This is literally for you to get tangled in their api and when they stop giving you the allowance they hope you will just continue to pay
Nah, it's pretty trivial to switch providers (especially with Claude's help, ha).
This is more to encourage people to try out adding AI into their product, which is a totally different flow and experience from using AI to build the product.
Or to discourage people from using cheap subscription tokens as part of automated workflows
What does "tangled in their api" mean? Switching is pretty easy.
Not really, you have to fiddle with generating api keys and setting environment variables. Meanwhile with Anthropic it will just start charging you API prices for the tokens you are generating without even a single warning.
>> Not really, you have to fiddle with generating api keys and setting environment variables.
That's 5-15 minutes of work at most. Not exactly the type of lock-in the parent is implying.
The user could have always done that regardless of if the user has the option to be charged API rates on or off.
That's an old tactic for an old world. You only need, what, half an hour with your agent of choice to write you out of that?
This is massive. So on top of the regular usage, we now have USD 200,- to freely use via the API however we please, even resell? That is a statement, even knowing that inference does not cost them nearly as much as they charge, this is very developer-friendly. Does some minor de-risking for testing concepts. Terms seem to be reasonable [0].
Of course, they don't do this out of pure kindness, but I really struggle to see a negative for subscribers already using a Claude Max subscription, especially given changing to another model is essentially frictionless via OpenRouter.
Compared with "Sign in via OpenAI" which they just announced, this is far less lock-in for anyone hosting services but less interesting for users of said services. With Anthropics approach, you can just use the allowance on your users however you see fit along with any other models and once it's used up, you can still just decide not to use their models for the remainder. With users bringing their tokens meanwhile, there is less flexibility in terms of switching for you, though might be cheaper for users.
Both interesting, each approaching this from a very different direction, each having their own trade-offs. On the OpenAI front, will be interesting whether developers can set specific temp, reasoning budgets, etc. for such "provided tokens" or whether OpenAI exposes that only via the actual API.
[0] https://www.anthropic.com/legal/credit-terms
OpenAI will probably add this to their plans within a week
With OpenAI you can just use Oauth and get a token to use your subscription.
Anthropic isn't even close to being this useful.
Biggest reason for an OAI subscription instead of Ant imo.
Biggest loss is that Ant models look like they are genuinely better.
> Biggest loss is that Ant models look like they are genuinely better.
This changes on a weekly basis, I ended up with subscriptions to most of the providers (except for X.ai).
Ran our DataAnalyticsBench benchmark on it: https://plotly.com/blog/claude-haiku-5-5-plotly-data-analyti...
9x cheaper than Haiku 4.5 and 2 letter grades better. It's also now the fastest model (using the default speeds, not trying any of the other models "Fast" mode) to complete the exam.
Similar ballpark to Luna in price, cost, and accuracy. These are very cheap models: $0.38 to answer 40 in-depth data analytics questions (compared to $15 for Opus 5.5 or $20 for Astra).
Overall very good at data analysis - handling all of the straightforward data analytics questions correctly. It fell short answering some of the questions that required some deeper statistical analysis like looking into other variables. In other words, it's not as persistent as other models in its analysis, which I think we'd expect from how they're positioning the model.
Compared to OpenAI: GPT-6 Luna did a bit better and was about 30% the cost of Haiku 5.5. GPT-6.1 Sol got all answers correct, but was 10x more expensive.
My complaint about Haiku 4.5 was that it was 10x the price of GPT-6 Luna.
> Claude Haiku 5.5 is priced 90% lower than Claude Haiku 4.5 for requests up to 100,000 tokens, and 50% lower for requests over 100,000 tokens
Haiku and Luna now have the exact same price up to 100,000 tokens. Luna is now cheaper for anything after 100,000 tokens, even after Luna's own price increases at 270,000 it's still less than Haiku.
So it sounds like they've directly addressed that problem. Their self-reported benchmarks are all higher than Luna too.
Yep. I was looking at the prices of lower tier models a few weeks ago for zero/few shot tasks (pre Jev) and Haiku rates just didn't make sense at all. I ended up using 5.6-luna.
Good to know that is going back to being an actual option from perf/price perspective.
If we look at their performance per dollar charts,
In OSWorld 2.1 Haiku is better.
On GDPval-AA v2.1 Haiku is equal or worse than Luna.
On Humanity’s Last Exam they don’t seem even be comparing Haiku with Luna.
For these baby distillations of flagships, I expect their users to be very price sensitive.
Gotta be careful about these benchmarks because they're extremely difficult questions that may be significantly more complex than questions you would ask of the model in real use.
If Haiku is "noticing" this and working harder to improve quality, you could still see similar or better cost-per-task in easier domains. ObviousBench is a good test of this.
They do not, however, have the same price per task or task execution ability at any thinking level. Token cost alone is not a sufficient metric.
Ran image -> html tests for this. I was curious if this smaller model was good enough for complex UI. It was not.
Haiku 5.5: https://html.non.io/lcars-haiku-5.5/
Opus 5.5 for comparison: https://html.non.io/lcars-opus-5.5
Designs it was building from: https://diffui.ai/app/canvas/5093e689-1e74-4f26-b632-2a4500f...
One interesting thing is it took a look at the job at hand, and immediately delegated it to Opus 5.5. It at least knows what it isn't good at. Very fast though, and likely best used for small subagent tasks / tightly scoped work.
Pac-Man Bench:
Considering the price, no model comes close to being as good as this. However, it did take an extremely long time.
TIME 19m COST $0.16 https://jonclegg.github.io/pacman-bakeoff/#claude-haiku-5-5
All results: https://jonclegg.github.io/pacman-bakeoff/
Interesting that you have gpt-6-luna at $0.01 vs. claude-haiku-5-5 at $0.16 for this task. I see the score disparity though and I played them briefly. My takeaway from this is that the choice between Luna and Haiku 5.5 may remain nuanced. Luna may be a lot cheaper still and good enough for some jobs. Is that your read of the results?
Actually, I misspoke. At least as far as Pac-Man Bench, Luna does about as good of a job. The ghost logic's not quite as good, but it also makes a map that doesn't have nonsensical sections in it. So maybe call it a wash.
Yeah, I was mainly thinking about how much cheaper Luna appeared to be in this case.
Something is not right there. DSv4.1 flash shows $1.89 for tens of thousands of tokens? What am I missing?
How have you avoided being sued by Namco?
I'm pretty sure they'll never see this. It's pretty much impossible for anything you do you build nowadays to get noticed anyways.
> likely best used for small subagent tasks / tightly scoped work.
Hasn't this always been the case with Haiku?
To be fair, you're making it compete with the best public LLM right now that's 2 size/price tiers above it.
Sure, but presumably Haiku was distilled from the same training data. Part of this is seeing how much the capabilities degrade as their model size goes down.
Neither of these look "good" to me. There is so much visual noise on the page, like someone turned the "AI Slop" dial to 11. In fact I prefer the simpler design Haiku made.
It's not really about whether the design looks good. It's about if the model can take the design given to it and replicate it in code. Opus 5.5 matches the designs almost to the pixel. Haiku built something else entirely.
I guess I'm giving GP feedback about their product diffui.ai, not really about Opus' performance.
Totally fair, but I'd encourage you not to look at the design so much as the task. This was a design that's part of a benchmark test suite specifically for image->html conversion. The dense visual noise / complexity / flowing svg shapes are things that most LLMs have trouble with.
It's meant to be a good test, not a good design.
It’s not really AI slop, it’s how most modern SAAS websites look like.
The monthly API credits for Max plan seems fantastic, especially considering Haiku pricing. Being able to actually use my Claude plan for other harnesses and use-cases on top of regular CC usage is everything I wanted.
Anthropic has really been doing all the right things in the past few weeks, while OpenAI continues to fumble the bag.
Note that this is Anthropic Trojan-Horsing the previously announced June change in with a model release, where the Claude Agent SDK can no longer be used with Claude subscriptions and is now billed with API credits only.
https://support.claude.com/en/articles/15036540-use-the-clau...
Ah, that sucks. I'm using Paseo to run Claude Code; I guess that just got a whole lot more complicated.
We just updated the docs to clarify how API credits can be used w/ claude -p: https://support.claude.com/en/articles/15036540-use-the-clau...
Using Paseo as well. This would be a deal breaker for me for sure.
Yep they're definitely getting ready to yank using your subscription with the agent SDK - this page has just been pulled: https://support.claude.com/en/articles/15036540-use-the-clau...
That's not a good sign for Conductor...
this is a common question. we're updating the faq now to make sure it's more clear
Update: We just updated the docs to clarify how API credits can be used w/ claude -p: https://support.claude.com/en/articles/15036540-use-the-clau...
Sorry for the misleading wording on this page; we’ve updated it to clarify that the Claude Agent SDK can still be used with subscriptions.
Thanks for sharing this! These vendor lock-in attempts are very annoying.
yeah totally agree. esp how efficient it can be to have a subscription quota-paid orch spin up a bunch of API agents, this is kind of like free money to encourage what was already an easy way to save money (via batch pricing)
OpenAI has been a disaster lately.
> Being able to actually use my Claude plan for other harnesses
Wait what? This has gotten their blessing?
You could always use Claude models on other harnesses via API... just not via subscription. Now they give you $100 worth of API tokens to use on opencode or Pi. Which is better, but still not the same as OpenAI were you can use the subscription on Pi without problems.
Absolutely not.
About time Anthropic released a competitive cheap model. Haiku 4.5 has been too expensive compared to its performance for months now (in fact I don't remember being too impressed even when it was released). This one actually looks worth using in some scenarios. If it's really as much of a step up from Luna as the benchmarks they've shown indicate, it'll probably replace Luna in my workflows. 100k tokens is a pretty low threshold before the price goes up, but I tend to use these smaller models for smaller tasks anyway.
This is great! Been using GPT 6 Luna for decompiling my childhood favorite game (Age of Mythology) and this means I can throw Haiku into the mix as well. 17352/21965 functions matched so far...
How do you validate the functions are correct? I did something similar, letting it (mostly deepseek 4.1) translate from assembly to C but it commonly made mistakes, some really hard to discover and fix.
You should be able to validate it by creating tests against the assembler.
can you share more details? was this very involved or asking codex/claude/open code with a 1 shot like approach?
I'll write a blogpost when I actually have it working, but basically I gave the game .msi installer to claude opus 5.5 and said to read these blogs:
And to setup a harness that will decompile the game and start doing a matching decompilation of every function. It set up a bunch of tooling and started a service in the background to do this actual decompilation campaign. I put some instructions into the main opus chat now and then to e.g. add automatic git pushing including a nice svg chart of progress and to switch model strategies here and there i.e. to do a first pass with a cheap model and then switch to opus/sol if the small model can't solve it.I could now one-shot a new game, yeah.
Maybe a Show HN? I would be quite interested in seeing the results of this project
I've done the same with some old games I used to play, SimTower and Oregon Trail II, both fully decompiled and now running natively on modern macOS.
I'm going to try create an interactive twitch stream where viewers can play the game through the stream and other non-player viewers can trigger events in the game via points.
Crazy time we live in.
Edit, you come to really understand the game in the process, and why things happen and how to better play the game. And occasionally come across bugs, dev assets, assets never used, or assets all coded up, but code never triggered.
Amusingly I just saw a "Show HN" for SimTower running online via WASM:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49676394
Haha yeah, I saw that post when I looked into reverse engineering SimTower, that guy saved me so much time decompiling. Didn't get so lucky with Oregon Trail II, there are some very old github repo's with attempts, but none got very far.
We're definitely in the age of ports! Interested to see how the OT2 port turns out.
Reverse engineering Redhook's Revenge binary (an old DOS game) before the advent of LLMs cost me way more hours than I'd care to admit back in the day - so I can't wait to put an LLM to work on some more obscure games like Sword Quest.
On a side note I should really give Oregon Trail II a shot. I never got into any of the successors like Yukon Trail, Amazon Trail, etc.
decompilation doesn't trigger any safeguard refusals? I would have assumed it would but glad it doesn't. Very cool and would also love to hear more.
Surprisingly, no. I've been using Fable and Astra both to orchestrate decompilation of a relatively modern game (delivered via Steam) and they have no qualms about it.
i love Age of Mythology, but why did you feel the need to decompile it? Its got a great world editor if you were trying to "mod" it.
I want to get the original (Age of Mythology Gold Edition) running natively on macOS and then port it to WASM to run it on the web so I can easily play it with friends
Intriguing, I wonder how far you could go with turning games into websites.
Like could total war become a browser game?
Probably. There have been dozens of examples of taking old games (Crazy Taxi, Super Monkey Ball, Quake, etc) and making WASM browser equivalents using AI to decompile them just on "Show HN" alone.
They often ship the original assets in a somewhat brazen disregard for basic copyright law even when the games are still for sale on places like GOG though.
I saw recently that someone had ported Halo CE to the web and had 1024 players in Blood Gulch.
Last time I gave that a try (without LLM assistance though) it was really hard as games DirectX calls cannot simply be glued to WebGL so performance was bad.
Some attempts to benchmark and compare LLM's:
https://artificialanalysis.ai/
https://benchlm.ai/
https://tokenscost.com
https://www.vellum.ai/llm-leaderboard
Are there any projects out there for doing something similar?
At work we use haiku 4.5 for a handful of latency sensitive tasks that are fairly simple. It performs well. Just started testing 5.5 as I’ve been anticipating a nice improvement since it was teased. Results so far are trash. Prompt leakage even. And it’s slower. I guess it’s cheap but I think they got the balance wrong on this.
Cam it be replaced by a Jev-like model? That might be better for latency sensitive tasks
Exact same thing here.
Both evals and Human pairwise tests for our use case are giving Haiku 4.5 first place in pretty much all tests.
No we'll try understand if we need to change our prompts to match performance ...
edit: maybe this will help: https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/build-with-claude/prompt...
Thx I’m digging into it but am somewhat comforted not to be alone in this. Turning up the level helps some but then we lose the speed. I don’t know that we’ll switch to 5.5 and may shop a different provider.
Anecdotally we ran sonnet 4.6 for our more complex stuff and sonnet 5 was a LOT worse. 5.5 seems to have fixed it and we cut over our customer workloads. It’s strange, really.
Curious as to why. Haiku 4.5 has been far away from pareto frontier for a long time. Maybe you need to update your prompt for the newer model in your workflow.
Something seems wrong here. Haiku 4.5 is a pretty bad model for just about everything.
Did you have prompts that were especially tuned for Haiku 4.5 or something?
My weekly limit __on a Pro sub__ has not gone over 50% since before the pre-Fable promos, but usage has been pretty much the same from my point of view. Maybe I am holding it right? Anyone else getting this?
As such, I do not need to even reach for Haiku, and 4.5 was so inaccurate that it often cost more to do so in the past. Sonnet 5.5/low has been good for this kind of thing, and i didn't even touch thinking tokens or any of that. Opus 5.5 low for questions/repros, medium for implementation, basically never reaching for anything above that anymore. 5.5 has been great, so I'll try Haiku, but don't see myself going out of my way to integrate it.
I'm excited for API use. I run some agents, mostly on Luna 6 right now. It's just tool use, web browsing, etc, so something dirt cheap, but also not super dumb, is much appreciated. Having a Luna competitor is nice.
there is no way in hell that im gonna use Haiku too, tho weekly limits become a problem for me in a last couple of month tbh
I compared the costs between luna and haiku for some classification work. Luna comes out a fair amount cheaper due to more efficient tokenization and less outputs.
I wonder if we have an AI LLM equivalent to Moore's Law. Like how often do we expect improvement in this technology and with what timing?
Yes -> every 18 months they've gotten 90% more efficient for the same level of quality for about 5 years. There's little sign that trend is slowing. If anything, there's reason to believe that System 1 models (plus potentially 1-2-3 workflows) may increase that over the next 3-5 years.
You'll know when the trend stops -> when the intelligence differential between smaller models like 7B starts to grow instead of shrink from 32B models -> that means 7B is getting about as smart as it can get. Then, 32B will follow next, then 70B, etc etc.
We haven't yet seen that at any size AFAIK.
Andrej Karpathy said once that he expects superintelligence could fit in 1 billion parameters.
Super intelligence that doesn't have to deal with the real world, maybe.
I wouldn't be surprised if less than 1B param equivalent of our brain deals with solving math and writing computer programs and physics and all the things we tend to associate with "intelligence" - especially if you ultra optimized for that, I doubt our brain works like that.
Dealing with the real world, I highly highly doubt it.
How about if we get away from written text as the input, to something more fundamental, that then also is able to produce text (among other things)?
Given that humans learn to talk while having encountered a measly number of word instances, and, given enough time, we should always be able to improve on the lottery that is biology, it does seems fairly likely.
It would be interesting if running ends up being a more complex task than advanced math. And our brains are just 95% allocated to dealing with the real world.
What's super intelligence?
According to Epoch AI:
> The cost of achieving a given level of AI performance has fallen about 47% per quarter since 2023, or 13× per year. [0]
0. https://epoch.ai/publications/the-plunging-price-of-thought
Then why are AI plans still so super expensive, and AI spending going through the roof, while all the subsidies are ending?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox
AI gets cheaper, people use it everywhere. Google searches, for example. Now we want to crack math problems and spend weeks with unreleased models.
If you used GPT-2, it'd be incredibly cheap. You basically can't use it for anything and it's simple to serve.
You mean if you used a modern LLM of GPT-2-level quality. Vanilla transformers like GPT 2 are ridiculously inefficient in comparison.
The cost per fixed level of intelligence is dropping, but we're also getting dramatically more intelligent models.
MiMo-2.6 RL'd for ~$3.5M (not B), both main and flash combined, that is dramatically less and top 10 on https://artificialanalysis.ai/
https://mimo.xiaomi.com/mimo-v2-6
A frontier Ai is cheaper to make than a single 5/6th gen fighter jet, and maybe every fighter jet at this point.
Especially if you have millions of Opus 5.5 examples to train off of!
so tiring... you don't get to frontier from traces alone...
also, who cares, the world is a better place if there are more awesome models at cheaper prices built with more efficient means
we used to celebrate this kind of advancement, now it seems like astroturfing and belittling are the cool thing de jour
To pay for the training of the models which are getting bigger and more expensive. So intelligence is getting cheaper overall but the need for ever-increasing intelligence can't be sated.'
Reddit is full of people complaining how they burn their 200$ sub in half an hour by starting ten Max sub agents. That’s to say, many people just don’t know what they’re doing.
Because models are only getting better at a rate of 10% per year, people always want the best quality possible. You can get SotA performance from a year ago for a fraction of the cost, but why would you use Opus 4.5 when you can use Opus 5.5?
Because it's increasingly useful and the thing you are substituting (human time) is much more expensive.
Apart from what others said about using more intelligent models instead of cheaper ones, token usage is also increasing a lot. Classic Jevons paradox
At least for me the Claude plans seem like an incredible deal and I never hit my limit.
reminds me of this blog post: https://campedersen.com/singularity
Whew, at least I won't have to hand-code solutions to the 2K38 problem!
I've heard tell about 100% of certain types of work being ended in batches of six months. For years. Truthfully, I'm skeptical, but accuracy wasn't prioritized.
double the information density every 2 days?
serious bit: if you think about how these smaller models work, at the end of the day it seems that they are now capable of forgetting useless information because they're able to derive it in reasoning allowing models to become smaller at the cost of requiring more reasoning tokens to solve a task.
Knowledge will be shifted to systems like n-gram augmentation which are relatively cheap and will not compete with reasoning capabilities for weight saturation.
Hopefully enough runway for an existing model to train the next to be better than itself with absolutely no human intervention.
https://www.anthropic.com/claude-haiku-5-5#further-updates
This section makes the reader think: why would I not pick Sonnet 5.5 instead of Haiku 5.5?
It's around Qwen-3.8, and Sonnet 5.5 level, but a lot cheaper. It is also really fast.
My tests for Haiku 5.5: https://aibenchy.com/compare/anthropic-claude-haiku-5-5-xhig...
Twice as expensive as Luna, but also considerably smarter too:
https://aibenchy.com/compare/anthropic-claude-haiku-5-5-xhig...
A really big difference can be seen in this basic CSS animation generation of a solar system of Luna vs Haiku:
https://aibenchy.com/compare/anthropic-claude-haiku-5-5-xhig...
> Claude Haiku 5.5 is our fastest model to date at each model’s standard speed, although it runs less quickly than our Opus models in Fast Mode.
Opus 5.5 runs 117 tps average on Openrouter, so it must be at least 10-20 tps slower for them to mention. IDK why they mention this as it does not help for marketing though. https://openrouter.ai/anthropic/claude-opus-5.5
Maybe they think it's of interest.
Is that page showing Opus TPS stats in fast mode? IIRC fast mode is 2.5x speed, so that would be 293 TPS, no?
117 tps is the fast one, regular speed is 69 tps.
Top of the page in 17 minutes? Now I know what y'all do while your agents are working.
It's a brave new world... of idleness!
https://xkcd.com/303/
Good to see Anthropic back alternative OSes.
I used to always use glm or deepseek instead of Haiku, but now I want to give it a try.
131tok/s P50 according to OpenRouter currently, though might move up or down over the coming days. If it sticks at that speed, roughly twice the throughput of Luna and far lower latency (up to 2sec depending on provider) is impressive, though the 5x price increase beyond 100k is painful.
Was a big fan of Haiku 4.5, though understand why for most Sonnet was the far better option back then.
> we’ll roll out a new monthly API credit to all Max and Team subscribers for use on the Claude Platform. Max 5x users will get $100 in credits per month, Max 20x users will get $200
They’re definitely planning to make the subscriptions API based so they can charge you full price.
From these selected benchmarks, it looks like it smokes Luna capability-wise. Excited to put it through its paces
At a glance, looks competitive on the pareto. I hope it retains the flavor of sonnet 5.5 and opus 5.5. Both are extremely good and productive. I have had a lot more issues with gpt 6/6.1 and getting what I want out of them.
It fails the "How many r's in <word>?" test.
I ask:
> how many r's in diminished
It answers:
> Diminished has 1 r.
The forgotten model is back on the map. I actually got OK mileage when I tried it for coding months ago. Maybe I'll try it again, with Opus guiding it, and see how it goes.
> Second, this week, we’ll roll out a new monthly API credit to all Max and Team subscribers for use on the Claude Platform. Max 5x users will get $100 in credits per month, Max 20x users will get $200, and Team subscribers will receive up to $500, pooled across their users. These credits are designed to allow our users to experiment with building tools, apps, and agents that call our API.
This is kind of nuts
Is it realistic or cynical for me to assume this is to wean developers off the heavily subsidized subscriptions? Presumably it's using similar compute.
Anthropic was ignoring the usage of third party harnesses. Not anymore.
It’s about time Haiku got an update!
Alright its still little early since there is not enough independent testing but this looks very promising and I wasn't expecting anthropic to beat GPT-6 Luna especially at the same price. Haiku 5.5 beats Luna on every shared benchmark Anthropic published, particularly computer use and agentic coding.
How are y'all using Haiku though? I rarely select it.
I have a zsh functions that calls claude code with haiku to suggest commit messages, is faster and the instructions are two lines.
I also have an "ask" script that I use daily to ask simple stuff, it can access websearch and webfetch, it's more than enough to parse logs, ask for commands, quick research on the internet, small stuff. https://github.com/mariocesar/dotfiles/blob/main/common/.loc...
I use haiku for things that needs to be quick, have really clear instructions.
with claude -p seemingly now using api credits I guess this approach will have to change unfortunately :/ I wonder what will be the best cmdline way to do things like these
I've been using GPT-6 Luna in some capacity for nearly all my agent workflows. It's just a really good model, and the pricing is cheap. If Haiku 5.5 is better, and the same price (under 100k context... which is a big caveat) i'd probably swap it.
It’s absolutely better than Luna. It feels closer to a “sonnet 5.2” if that makes sense.
Of course it’s not as big, and hence falls-off quicker. I’d consider the 100k a “promotional price” to match Luna’s token pricing while delivering noticeably more intelligence.
Opus often picks it when it's doing a "find me something" subagent. But largely it's been held back by being fully a year old at this point, and priced at a much higher price than models that are far more capable.
Translating GPT’s word salad to English at the end of an agent interaction.
not haiku, but luna - last week i used it for things like "read this historical dump of 15k support tickets and break them into categories that make sense, then propose help docs that i could write to handle the most frequent queries in each category"
used <10% of my 5hr limit on a $100 codex plan.
I was waiting for this.
Planning on doing flash analyses of PRs that impact evals in some way, and then post comments on GitHub whenever there’s flaws in them
( https://evalship.com )
It's great at parsing documents inexpensively. For the few skills/plugins I've made, I usually instruct Claude to use Haiku for low-reasoning grunt work.
My software application uses Haiku in production more or less as a Jev. I do not use it for coding or development.
Why not have a CPU-first decision model for free? check out gutsy
I'm building a game that incorporates LLMs as a game mechanic.
I've been using Luna, but I'll probably switch to Haiku.
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Apparently quite a bit smarter than Luna, I wonder what use cases it can cover. I actually honestly don't need a Haiku level AI to be that smart, and looks like you pay for it in the per token cost, I need speed mainly. I might even rather have a dumber but much faster model for things like web searching and parsing to retrieve results for the app or other LLM to do things with.
Has Anthropic released a decision model ala Jev? I wonder if they’ll launch something soon
The important question though...how does it do making a pelican on a bicycle?
Finally! I understand Haiku is the less intelligent model, but the gap between Sonnet and Opus has been far too wide for about a year now.
I am perpetually confused about every name and version combination from both OpenAI and Anthropic. Especially in conjunction with the effort levels.
haiku < sonnet < opus (poetry)
lune < astra < sol (astronomy)
According to AA benchmarks, it uses 162k output tokens per task (with max reasoning) - over double GLM-5.3 Flash for similar level of Intelligence
no AA benchmarks yet and the last chart in the announcement makes Haiku look useless vs new Sonnet pricing, interesting to see what 3rd party benchmarks show because i think Anthropic are costpertaskmaxxing here and it's going to look more like that bottom chart than the top ones.
Seeing people talking about the Agents SDK -> credits change makes me wonder does it impact Zed or likes.
Happy about the Sonnet cache read price cut.
That was effectively required to match GPT-6.1 Sol (costs and caching prices are now equal). Sonnet 5.5 made zero sense to use over Opus 5.5 under the old cache prices.
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How does the price compare to Luna? At least looking at the numbers it is noticeably better at most tasks.
IMO, this is better. Luna is super cheap, but it's not that capable. At higher levels of reasoning, it's not that fast.
This is more expensive, but it also looks like it's better enough that it's far more useful.
I also won't be surprised if you look at cost per completed task + wall clock time that it comes out ahead for the majority of what you'd want to actually use it for.
Luna will still be a great option for doing non-engineering tasks super cheaply.
For prompts under 100k tokens, it's priced the same as Luna - $0.10 in, $0.50 out.
For prompts over 100k tokens it's 5 times more expensive - $0.50 in, $2.50 out.
It's finally here ! Need to take a look at some benchmark now
Wow, the rate of improvements in the AI era is staggering.
GDPval-AA v2.1 as of now: 1620
GDPval-AA v2.1 for Haiku 4.5: 735
The 100k tokens pricing makes sense, looks to be a hedge against OpenAI's decisions API and Jev or its open source alternatives that are springing up.
Nice release, congrats to Anthropic.
request to anthropic team release haiku as os model
they are afraid of regular people having access to open weights, or at least that's what they tell us and the government
Finally it has arrived.
Really excited to use this
Begging Anthropic to let us use Claude subs with harnesses other than Claude Code at this point.
The important question is, does it talk in incomprehensible Claude-ese like the other Claude 5.x models?
> Second, this week, we’ll roll out a new monthly API credit to all Max and Team subscribers for use on the Claude Platform. Max 5x users will get $100 in credits per month, Max 20x users will get $200, and Team subscribers will receive up to $500, pooled across their users. These credits are designed to allow our users to experiment with building tools, apps, and agents that call our API. They can be used on any of our models. For more information, see our Help Center article.
Did anyone read this? We get free API credits on some plans now
will use it to replace luna in production !
sup
Probably the same scam as the last Haiku update I guess. Uses more tokens to compensate for the lower price.
To correct myself. The price was not lower. It was up about 20% for the tokens. But, the big price hike was that it used a lot more tokens for the same tasks.
These are the examples from "Detecting and countering misuse of AI: September 2026" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49647300
Anthropic then says for the above, "we estimate that the uplift provided by Claude was primarily clerical assistance in data analysis, study ideation and design"While doing my best to avoid comment, please note, they're talking about a domain expert in a state research institution using Claude to do paperwork.
What did they save us from? What bioweapons did these filters prevent? From the front matter report,
OK. Sounds serious. "Gain of function research..." but who and why? So this was a researcher inside of some country's national lab ("credible institutional context") doing research on dangerous viruses using Claude for "for editorial assistance in writing up the research."What "uplift" are you providing to scientists working at specialized global BSL-4 labs that already have – and I quote their report - "physical access to such isolates." (as in samples of viruses)? Are we uplifting their grammar?
These "safeguards" are being expanded. The scientists I know can't use Claude for grammar checks or anything serious. You can try it for yourself.
I remember a friend asking me why LLMs suck so bad. She was using Haiku 4.5 and that poor model couldn't keep track of the context within 3 messages.
She said she was using Haiku 4.5 because she was advised to be careful with the spending.
I hate that model so much lol.
Where is Pelican? ehehhe
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So do you have the pelican or no?
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Ok, so I looked at all of your links, but nary a pelican to be found. How am I supposed to know what all these numbers mean if there is no pelican?
Can you please not be so sneery/grouchy? That's far worse for HN than suboptimal benchmarks. The guidelines specifically ask us to avoid being curmudgeonly.
What is i want to code svg files though?
I think it's a joke at this point, but also the visual benchmark is a remarkably dense method for demonstrating how good a model is.
Yeah, people like to poop on the pelican. But pelican quality still correlated with overall model capabilities reasonably well, and you can immediately see and interpret it. It's a running gag, but it also does have some actual value.
> Haiku 5.5’s cybersecurity safeguards are more restrictive than Haiku 4.5’s, but somewhat less restrictive than those we’ve applied to other recent models. In cybersecurity, they permit a wider range of defensive tasks than our safeguards for Sonnet 5.5, but they still block penetration testing and other techniques more likely to be used by attackers.
If you block pentest or "other techniques more likely to be used by attackers", then what does "permit a wider range of defensive tasks" even mean?
Any defensive task that's meaningful is almost indistinguishable from legitimate red-teaming that then falls under 'likely to be used by attackers". If only they would just stop nerfing these models, that'd be great. No APT is waiting around for Anthropic's permission, so might as well let us have some cool stuff.
Yeah it's too little too late, cat's out of the bag as people know that GLM 5.3 exists and is great at defensive and offensive cybersec.
(sadly Mistral Large 4 isn't up to par - but Mistral serves GLM at 130 tps!)
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Does anyone still use Haiku model?
I use it for title generation basically. Will have to see where this one fits in
Opus 5.5 does :^)